You can't change voting rules mid vote. Everybody's vote counts. Wikia agreed on that and nobody voiced concern when I brought up the initial draft of the vote as well.
I vote for keeping Rebirth content.
I understand that Rebirth information is currently hard to moderate as it's a relatively new game, but this should settle down as time goes on. As part of the franchise, Rebirth has a place here, and should be included with the original game data because:
- Rebirth was a remake, which means the large majority of the items/mechanics are from the original game.
-Rebirth can (and should) be compared with its older brother to ensure that the data is kept accurate (a side-by-side view of item stats to the original should help ensure that mistakes are not repeated).
-The wiki is already set up in a way which supports the data expected of this game, so to remove its place here would be wasteful.
You can't change voting rules mid vote. Everybody's vote counts. Wikia agreed on that and nobody voiced concern when I brought up the initial draft of the vote as well.
Right, it wasn't wrote before that only registered users could vote, so every vote must be tallied.
I voted without signing up, but made an account just in case it doesn't end up getting counted. I am all for keeping Rebirth content here. Just as an example, the Animal Crossing Wikia includes information about all the games. For characters/items/buildings etc that appear in multiple games, they include separate sections on its page to describe the specifics for each version of the game. We could do that here too, something like the Devil Room could still have the general description, etc, but then a section detailing the specifics of Binding of Isaac (with any Wrath of the Lamb add ons), and another for Rebirth. Same with items. And then that just leaves adding the things that are new in Rebirth. As long as it's clearly defined, I don't really see how it would be confusing at all.
I had thought that wikia contributors should not be counted, because random anonymous contributors may not pertain to this wiki at all, or be biased and swayed by their anonymity to say anything that may harm the wiki (whether Rebirth stays or goes). Anonymity is like a mask, where people can hide behind it and do unruly things that they would not normally do without punishment. That is not what I want when making a very official vote of this caliber. Let's say the Presidential vote for the United States was online, and anyone could vote at all: there would be mass chaos, with people voting underage, people voting multiple times, and even voting for nominees as a joke. It is not hard to create an account, so I think it fair only to count real Wikia accounts. I suppose if everyone thinks this logic is wrong you can explain to me how and it will be overturned. Thank you.
I had annons included because you guys were attacking me for not caring about people that didn't register. A huge part of this drama here comes from anonymous users complainig as well. Nobody voiced any concerns about in the draft so the vote went off. Retroactively changing voting rules would cast a bad light on this all here very quickly. Personally I'd have been fine with all kinda of criteria for a vote, BUT these have to be all declared beforehand otherwise it looks like cherrypicking (although I'm not accusing you of that here!).
If you want to compare it with a real vote it would be like saying "everybody with the age of 16 onwards can vote", only to suddenly change the requirement to 21 shortly before the end of the vote. People wouldn't accept the winner because the winner might as well have changed to criteria so they could cut off unfavorable votes or voters would get angry for suddenly getting ignored.
I even set up the end of the vote beforehand so anybody can transparently recount the votes and object the outcome.
Again, I can understand you concern (I chose comments instead oa a simple poll already to stop the most easy vote shenanigans that a simple poll would allow for), but for this to have any weight it needs to have the same conditions for the whole duration fo the vote. If you plan to be an admin, you need this vote to support your follow up actions (unless you enjoy people constantly undoing edits).
If you really think that's a big problem, you could suggest a way to fix it without making it unfair so, we can work something out that doesn't involve suddenly excluding people. I'd even be open to a revote, but that might be a bit too much of a strain on the wiki imo.
After friday's over I'll go through all this and present my votes otherwise and will try to induce a few follow up steps.
I want both games, flipping back and forth from wikis is complicated
It'd make things a lot simpler if both games shared a wiki.
Items that are in both games don't even need separate pages, just separate areas on the same page (the original Binding of Isaac item details above The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth's, of course). Having to go to an entirely different wiki to get the information that belongs here would be a waste of time, energy (for creating an entirely new wiki), and community members. So I say keep it simple as much as we can, as I understand that adding Rebirth content has caused some chaos, and leave everything here.
There will be errors and mistakes obviously, but all of that should be tidied up in a few months.
The fact is, only a very small fraction of players would search for both games "back and forth". Even if they do so, 2 tabs can be opened and the problem is solved.
The benefits of having separate wikis outweighs the negatives if you see it from the other perspective. Having 2 separate wikis will:
[1]: If I want to read about Judas in Rebirth, I'll have to go through the non-Rebirth contents to find it, which is totally irrelevant to what I am searching for.
[2]: I can't explain it very well, but if you have contributed to some wikis for a decent amount of time, you should be able to understand.
[3]: Less confusion = less energy required and less time wasted. Combining both wikis will create a huge confusion. This tends to scare dedicated editors away. It's not impossible to manage, but it will need some very dedicated editors.
Reposting this again, but there's already an exclusive wiki about Rebirth, with a decent amount of information and activity already in it: [link removed]
The wiki won't magically be tidied up in a few months; someone will need to dedicate a lot of time for it.
Hello,
After a period of review, I am going ahead and closing this vote. It seems as though most of the community that does not have a stake in the competing community on Gamepedia are in favor of keeping Rebirth content here and allowing this community to become a comprehensive resource for the series as opposed to a strict one-game resource. This matches the pattern of some of our most successful Wikia communities, and hopefully this will usher in a period of further growth for this community.
Members of this community are free to pick and choose what websites they will contribute to - whether it be on Wikia or off-Wikia. No one will be forced, at least on the Wikia side, to pick just one. That said, any further attempts to push users of this wikia to a competing community, on or off Wikia, on the Rebirth basis, will be viewed as spam.